Epsilon Hydrae


 
Bob Hogeveen
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 1st March 2002 (22:00 UT)
Seeing: 4 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Annen, The Netherlands
53ºN, 6ºE
Site classification: Village backyard
Sky darkness: 5 (before moonrise) <Limiting magnitude>
Transparency: 8 <1 worst - 10 best>
Temperature: 1º C
Telescope: Celestron C11, Intes MK67
Eyepieces: Ultima 30mm, LV 15mm, 10mm plossl
Magnification: C11: 93x, 187x. MK67: 180x
 

Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 07 mar 2002, 22.00
Seeing: 5 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Annen, The Netherlands
53ºN, 6ºE
Site classification: Village backyard
Sky darkness: 5 <Limiting magnitude>
Transparency: 8 <1 worst - 10 best>
Temperature: 5º C
Telescope: Intes MK-67
Eyepieces: Ultima 30mm, LV 15mm, 10mm plossl 
Magnification: 60x, 120x, 180x
 

Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 16 mar 2002, 21.00
Seeing: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Annen, The Netherlands
53ºN, 6ºE
Site classification: Village backyard
Sky darkness: 3.5 <Limiting magnitude>
Transparency: 3 <1 worst - 10 best>
Temperature: 10º C
Telescope: Celestron C11
Eyepieces: 20mm Plössl
Magnification: 120x 
 
 
 

 

During the Olympic project the C11 was able to split this pair on a night with good seeing, using 280x. This night I tired 187x and seeing allowed nothing more. There was no sign of the companion...

The next night the seeing was somewhat better and having the MK67 out I tried again on this pair, using the 10mm plossl (180x). But again no split...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Did I look at the wrong star with the C11 last week? I start to doubt...
But it might well be possible, this is not an easy double with all this bad seeing in our watery Dutch skies. The C11 will be much more sensitive to seeing then the MK-67...
But the ease of split of Epsilon was somewhat amazing. First trying 180x I noticed that the little companion was easily visible at some distance from the deep-yellow, bright primary. Quite a nice view actually.
Going down to 120x the result was the same and the view even better. The small pinpoint secondary was sitting very close to the deep-yellow dot of the primary, but still separated by a narrow belt of dark sky. Wonderful!
60x was to much to ask. I couldn't detect the secondary any more at this magnification.
The nice view of the little pinpoint secondary that close to the deep-yellow primary gives this pair a rating 2.

Ambience:
Spring is here! 
Although the wind was strong and the temperature only a few degrees above 0, the signs and feel of spring are present. Out in the field, when observing Ikeya-Zhang, groups of Lapwings were heard in the meadows, busy sorting out their social relations. Typically a sound of spring dusks. Later in the evening the recently arrived Oystercatchers in the field around our village could be heard. Very noisely present with their loud Te-Peet, Te-peet calls. Little groups of Smew (duck species) were flying by, whistling gently and heading North.
And galaxies are in the sky...
 
 
 

Epsilon posed like a real beautiful model before the C11 this time. The ease of seeing the secondary, its brightness and "enormous" distance from the primary make it hard to beleive that this pair can be so tough in less favourable conditions. A very rewarding view, which is rewarded with a drawing that will help remembering how pretty this model was.

 


 
Ron Bhanukitsiri
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 03/04/02 8:00pm PST
(00:00 UT)
Seeing: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Alpine, California, USA 
(elev. 2000ft) 
Site classification: Semi-Rural
Sky darkness: 5.2 <Limiting magnitude>
Telescope: 102mm Tele Vue 102 APO refractor
Magnification: 44x, 73x, 110x, 146x, 176x
Condition is calm clear sky, mildly twinkling stars, light pollution from the western sky. (Saw only E in Trapezium tonight).  Under this sky, the TV-102 Light Cup went on to chop off the head of Hydra the Snake ;-).

Only primary yellow star is seen at 44x (20mm TV Plossl). Secondary is detected at 73x (12mm TV Radian) in moment of steadiness.  The secondary was just touching the primary at 110x (8mm Radian), pin pricked.  A clean split at 146x, secondary color is also yellow.  Best view at 176x with a wide separation.  Forms almost a square with three dim stars GSC 224:951, GSC 224:715 and GSC 224:363.  Being that Hydra's head is formed by the stars: rho, delta, eta and esilon, could it be that Hydra was sprouting a new head ;-)?

 


 
Patrick Thompson
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 7th March 2002, 19:55 UT
Seeing: 8 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: West Wickham, Kent, UK
51°23' N, 0°0'E
Site classification: Suburban garden
Sky darkness: 4.5 <Limiting magnitude>
Moon: None
Transparency: 8 <1 worst - 10 best>
Temperature: º C
Telescope: 8" Meade LX-90 SCT f/10
Eyepieces: 40mm and 26mm Meade Super Plossl, 13.8mm Meade SWA, 8.8mm Meade UWA
Magnification: 50x, 80x, 145x, 230x
Rating: 3  <1(best) - 5(worst)>
Nice background field @50x. Trapezium of stars to W including STF 1273 (not observed).

Could not split @80x.

Definite elongation @145x just N of W with occasional brief glimpses of much dimmer secondary. Then, in a moment of still air, clear, definite, separation for about 2 seconds. Primary yellowish white. No colour evident in secondary.

This was difficult (DI 93.6) due to the large magnitude difference, but ultimately very rewarding. Higher magnification didn't really help with this one.
 
 
 

 


 
William Schart
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 11th, March, 2002, 8:08 pm CST
Seeing: 8 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Killeen, TX, USA.
Site classification: Suburban
Sky darkness: 4 <Limiting magnitude>
Telescope: Celestar 8" SCT
Magnification: 80x, 120x, and 200x, 160x (CMG)

 

A tough nut to crack! At low power there seemed to be a bit of elongation, although probably not enough to have noticed if I wasn’t looking for it. At mid power I could see a small, faint, but definate bump a bit north of west; this was comfirmed at high power. However, all in all I thoght that the best view was at mid  power. The primary was a creamy, pale yellow, with no chance of observing color on the secondary.

 
Tim Leese
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 13 March 2002, 20:15 UT.
Seeing: 5-6 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Northwich, Cheshire. UK.
(53° 15' N -2º 33' W).
Site classification: Suburban
Sky darkness: 3.0//4.2 ( UMi ) <Limiting magnitude>
Conditions: High drifting misty haze, like aircraft trails. Low to moderate breeze.
Telescope: 200mm f/6 Newtonian reflector. 
Mount: Vixen GP
Eyepieces: 20mm plossl, 9mm &  6mm orthoscopics
Magnification: X60,X133,X200
On the 11th March I failed to split this star using my 80mm refractor 
at X80 and X160. The DI of 94.34 ( ladic ) was very similar to STF 
950 ( DI 94.52 ) which I could split without a problem using both X80 
and X160. Over an hour both doubles were observed, to compare the 
views, but the primary for epsilon Hydra was just too bright for the 
close companion to be seen.

A tough one to crack with a small telescope, well worth the effort if 
you succeed.

13th March 2002.
Through the 200mm reflector at X60 I observed a lovely pale yellow 
star.

Using X200 revealed what appeared to be a pale purple companion (in 
moments of steady air) very close to the yellow primary star.
The 9mm(X133) orthoscopic gave the best view though. As the star 
drifted across the fov I could clearly see the companion during 
moments of steady air. Using X133 the very close companion appeared 
almost pink but occasionally I saw a powder blue colour.

 


 
Steve Bodin
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 15 March, 9-11pm local
Seeing: 4->2 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Transparency: 8 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Silverdale WA USA
47ºN 123ºW
Site classification: Suburban
Sky darkness: 6.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Telescope: Celestron C 8
Eyepiece: Eyepiece: Video camera PC164C, 3X teleconverter
Magnification: Full TV screen  0.046 degrees equal to appx 1000x visual, but that depends on how far or near one stands to the TV.
Previously observed during the winter Olympics. Still difficult to see or image in poor air. The new camera showed the companion easily and I placed the apodizing mask, made from concentric circles of window screen, on the scope since I had plenty of light to work with. This sharpened the image noticeably as has been my experience using it in poor seeing. Measured: 2.54 sec, PA 299 deg.













The poor weather split on 15 March for a few hours. The sky was very dark and transparent due to all the rain ,and some snow, that cleaned out the air. Comet Ikeya-Ziang was an easy naked eye object and nice in any small RFT or binocular. I tried my 11x70 binocs, 4 inch RFT and 60mm Meade ETX and they all gave similar views. Hydra was not high enough in the sky during the early evening so time was spent in Orion viewing the sights. Air steadiness was only a 4/10 and signs of clouds advancing on horizon so on to the snake! Time to check out my new video camera from Supercircuits; a PC164C with a lux rating of 0.003, should be 2 magnitudes more than my PC23 with a rating of 0.04 lux. 
 


 
Glen Chapman
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 18/03/02  20.40 UT -8h
Seeing: 4 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Sydney, Australia
Site classification: Urban
Sky darkness: 6 <Limiting magnitude>
Moon: 3 days old
Sky condition Clear though heavy humidity
and extreme might temperatures.
Temperature: 30ºC
Telescope: 8" Dobsonian
Magnification: 100X, 220X and 360X

 

Primary notes as white to pale yellow. Secondary offered no colour. Observed a number of times during improving conditions. Initially 360x was need to spot slight elongation. By the end of the evening 220x show a clear image of both stars. Offering a very rewarding view of the 3.3mag primary and 6.4mag secondary.

Notes: Found in the head of the Hydra. This easy to locate star will present a challenge to most scopes under 10" Persistence is the key in anything but the best sky conditions.
 

 


 
John M. Ryan 
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: Wednesday March 20, 2002 
Seeing: 6+ <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Barreras, Salamanca, Spain.
Site classification: Rural,Suburban.
Sky darkness: 4+ <Limiting magnitude>
Moon: 3/8's moon shining brightly
Telescope: Meade 7" Mak Cas
Mount: Losmandy GM8
Magnification: 300X and 84X
I found Epsilon with the 32mm at 84X but there was no hint of the secondary. I put the 9mm Nagler into the diagonal with care because this eyepiece is like a small grenade, it is big and heavy. The view was fantastic; I noted a clear diffraction ring around the primary and after everything settled down and I calmed down I found the secondary sitting just outside the diffraction ring of the primary. The secondary had a dim diffraction ring and the sight had the effect of a snowman with the two diffraction rings in contact. There was a clear split and I stayed with this quite a while to enjoy the view. I was wondering if I could have split it with the 63mm Telementor but I didn't think so. Both components were white and I gave it a rating of 1.

Ambience: After about 10 days of a low pressure system centered over Spain this last week a high pressure system came in to give us some clear weather. I was able to get out to the village last Wed and Thurs to get in some observing time. Spring has arrived and all the trees are in flower and the countryside is a brillant green with the rain we had. The weather was very mild to observe and the only downside was that some farmer nearby had sold off some of his bigger calves and the cows were bawling the whole night looking for their offspring but that is life on the farm.

I had noted from the Hydra Data that Epsilon has the highest DI rating and that some of the group had trouble splitting this double. The seeing looked favorable and I decided to set up the Meade 7" Mak Cas on the Losmandy GM8 with a 9mm Nagler to give me a magnification of 300X. The Meade Mak Cas has excellent optics and I would compare it somewhere between a 5" to 6" AP refractor. At least I have the right to think that. The longer focal length of 2670mm of the Mak Cas would help to split the double.
 


 
Luis Balanzino
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: Wed March 20, 2002
20h to 22h UT 
Seeing: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Transparency: 8 <1 worst - 10 best> 
Location of site: Göteborg, Sweden
57°43' N, 11°58' E 
Site classification: Suburban area with moderate light pollution.
Temperature: 5º C 
Sky darkness:4.5 <Limiting magnitude>
Moon: Present age 6,75d 
Telescope: Russian TAL-1 equatorial reflector 110mm f/7.3 
Eyepieces: 25mm and 12.5mm TAL Super Plossl, 15mm TAL Kellner, 3x TAL Barlow 
Magnification: 32x, 54x, 97x, 161x, 193x
WDS sep 2,6" P.A. 302º
This is a well known star, the brightest in the Hydra's head. I supposed the challenge, close pair and considerable bright difference. And well, be optimistic and let's go! But the result is clear: unable to split this double even at 193x and with hexagonal mask. May be too close for this scope? At less I can argue that the star was quite low in the sky.
 
 

 


 
Jose Fernández
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 21 and 23 March 2002 
Seeing: 2"-2".5
Transparency:  <1 worst - 10 best> 
Location of site: El Aingliru, Asturias
(Spain), 1570 m over sea level.
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness:<Limiting magnitude>
Moon: Over horizon 
Telescope: Stellarvue 102 mm f6.1 
Eyepieces: Ultima 7.5mm and 5 mm 
Magnification: 83x, 123x
I have observed this star during two different nights because I could not believe that on the first night I could split it at 83x during some moments and perfectly at 123x. 

Reading the observations in the group web page a very big variability in the magnification necessary to split it can be observed. 

On the second night after photographing the comet I-Z I aim to epsilon Hydra. The seeing was like in the previous night among 2"-2".5, I split it almost continually at 83x and perfectly at 123x. Primary yellowish white and no colour in secondary. 

Luis has told me of the existence of an very interesting article in S&T April of 2001 signed by Sissy Haas. According to her comments with their double refractor 5" f10 she is unable to split epsilon Hydra. In this article we can see a formula proposed by the double observer Manuel Cortes from Spain to calculate the necessary minimum opening to separate doubles with an difference of magnitude. In this expression only two parameters are involved (separation and magnitude diference), but in my opinion the experience won in this group demonstrates that the seeing and the optic quality of the instrument are fundamental parameters in the capacity of splitting doubles. Not only the optic quality influences but it is also very probable that the optic design does it. For this reason these "empiric" rules are correct as a first approach because they are adjusted to particular conditions that cannot be extrapolated to all the observers and their telescopes.  In the article there is another rule calculated by Thomas Lewis
(1856-1927) which is evident that it is not adjusted to our average current telescopes.
 


 
Kevin Barker 
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 24th March, 2002
Seeing: 8-9 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Transparency: 8 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Auckland, New Zealand. 
Site classification: Suburban Backyard 
Sky darkness:  <Limiting magnitude>
Moon: Gibbous moon in sky.
Telescope: Zeiss APQ 100/1000
Mount: Zeiss Ib mount, setting circles.
Eyepieces: Zeiss 0.965” orthoscopics,
4, 6, 8 and 12.5 mm, H 40,
Zeiss 4 ocular turret. 
Magnification: 125x
 

Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 11th, April, 2002
Seeing: 6-7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Transparency: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Auckland, New Zealand. 
Site classification: Suburban Backyard 
Sky darkness: --- <Limiting magnitude>
Telescope: Zeiss APQ 130/1000
Mount: Zeiss Ib mount, setting circles.
Eyepieces: Zeiss 0.965” orthoscopics,
4, 6, 8, 10 and 12.5 mm, H 40, Zeiss 4 ocular turret. 
Zeiss 2X barlow lens.
Magnification: 63x, 80x, 166x, 250x, 333x, 500x
 

Needed 125 X.   Uneven.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Yellow and White/yellow although at 166 X secondary appeared blue at times. Contrast effect maybe???  No sign of third star although my skies are hardly dark.  A nearby race course does not help!!!??.

Very uneven.  Altitude of star when observed approximately 35 degrees.  At 166 X double apparent 50 % of the time.  At 250 X 100 % of the time.  PA quoted seems about right. 


 
Richard Harshaw
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time:  01:30 UT, April 10, 2002
Seeing: 6 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Transparency: 8 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Kansas City, Missouri (USA) 
39º 15N, 94º 30W 
980 ft above Mean Sea Level 
Site classification: Suburban 
Sky conditions
Telescope: Celestron C-11
Eyepiece: 15mm LV, 9mm LV, 25mm Plossl
Magnification: 193x, 339x, 115x
I split Epsilon Hya with my C-8 in the early 1990's and noted in my logs that the primary was Yellow, the companion greenish-white, and the third star undetermined.  (The third star you allude to is 12.40 mag, 19 sec out at PA 195, increasing.)

Tonight, using the C-11, and early in the evening (less than an hour after sunset), in skies I would rate as 6 for seeing and 8 for transparency, I split Eps with 339x and a diffraction mask. Knowing now where to spot the companion, I removed the mask and still got it.  Then I dropped to 193x, and finally to 115x, seeing B clearly at all magnifications. I would say tonight though that it looked to be pale orange.  The C star was easily seen, but again, color not determined.

Struve discovered the ABxC pair (at 3.2" in PA 196) in 1830.  In 1912, Bowyer measured it at a PA of 240.  Heintz has an orbit of 890 years.

A is also a spectroscopic binary (9.9047 day period) and an infra-red source.

Schapparelli split A into 4.5 and 5.0 mag stars 0.2" apart in pa 142. Aitken computed a 15.3 year period for the AB pair.

Webb said it was a remarkable system and noted colors of yellow and blue.
 


 
Mary Flanagan
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 12 Apr 2002 09:18 CDT
Seeing: 6.5 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Transparency: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Apple Valley MN, USA
 93d 14m 25s W; 44d 45m 17s N
Site classification: Suburban 
Sky conditions
Sky darkness: 4 <Limiting magnitude>
Telescope: 12.5" f/5 Dobsonian 
Magnification: 106x
No luck.

Ambience: I was beginning to think it would never happen, but I finally got out last 
night. First time since November.
There were a few snags along the way. The DSC cable got snarled in the altitude arm. Unplugged it, got it unsnarled, and did my two-star alignment. 
Started to zero in on M35, my favorite OC, before it got too low in the sky. 
And the numbers on the box just sat there, unchanging.

Note to self: it's a good idea to plug the cable back in after unsnarling it.
About a half-hour later, the box died. I knew it wasn't cold enough . . . it 
kicks out below 30d F. (-1 C) Apparently the battery was low, which surprised 
me as it showed about half charged when I loaded the box up last week. At any rate, I replaced it and everything went well after that.

There's not too much ambience in a suburban townhouse setting, but some time 
after midnight, an owl started up somewhere in the neighborhood. Sort of 
spooky!

Along with the Hydra doubles and a couple of galaxies, I threw in a favorite 
of mine, STF 1659 in Corvus. Robins, baseball and STF 1659. It must be spring!
 


 
Dave Moore
Star: Epsilon Hydrae
Date & Time: 16th April 2002: 22.36 BST
Seeing: --- <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Location of site: Charminster, Bournemouth, Dorset, UK (51 N 1 W)
Site classification: Urban 
Sky darkness: 4.2 <Limiting magnitude>. Bortle: 8/10 
Telescope: Meade LX-90 
Eyepieces: 30mm and 12.5mm Celestron Ultima, 8mm Televue Radian 
Magnification: 67x, 160x, 250x
Only appears slightly elongated at 67x. A strong creamy-white colour 
is present. Split at 160x, although the secondary is fainter, there 
is quite a big difference in magnitude between the two components. At 
this magnification, the glow from the bright primary is quite 
overwhelming. There is no improvement to the view at 250x. 



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